[0.9.3] Can't run the program at all...

[AFADoomer]

When I run the gzdoom.exe, It opens up a new, blank window, and then dumps to a crash log.

[spoiler]Code: ACCESS_VIOLATION
Tried to read address e2d256c2
Flags: 00000000
Address: e2d256c2

Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2

GS=0000 FS=003b ES=0023 DS=0023
EAX=00000000 EBX=00000000 ECX=0013f7e8 EDX=00000000
ESI=58010911 EDI=00000000
EBP=0013f7d0 EIP=e2d256c2 ESP=0013f7c8 CS=001b SS=0023
EFlags=00210246
CF- PF+ AF- ZF+ SF- TF- IF+ DF- OF- NT- RF+ VM- AC- VI- VP-

FPU State:
ControlWord=027f StatusWord=0000 TagWord=ffff
ErrorOffset=00000000
ErrorSelector=00000000
DataOffset=10047a04
DataSelector=ffff0000
Cr0NpxState=00000000

MM0=0000000000000000
MM1=0000000000000000
MM2=93dd6c638169e800
MM3=be29f20000000000
MM4=0000000000000000
MM5=5801091100000000
MM6=0013f7d000000000
MM7=000000230013f7c8

Running threads:
00000a18 at e2d256c2*
00000a1c
00000a20
00000a38
00000a40
00000a44
00000a48
00000a28

Loaded modules:
00400000 - 006cdfff GZDoom.exe
7c900000 - 7c9affff ntdll.dll
7c800000 - 7c8f3fff kernel32.dll
5ed00000 - 5edcbfff OPENGL32.dll
77c10000 - 77c67fff msvcrt.dll
77dd0000 - 77e6afff ADVAPI32.dll
77e70000 - 77f00fff RPCRT4.dll
77f10000 - 77f55fff GDI32.dll
77d40000 - 77dcffff USER32.dll
68b20000 - 68b3ffff GLU32.dll
73760000 - 737a8fff DDRAW.dll
73bc0000 - 73bc5fff DCIMAN32.dll
10000000 - 10095fff fmod.dll
77be0000 - 77bf4fff MSACM32.dll
76b40000 - 76b6cfff WINMM.dll
774e0000 - 7761cfff ole32.dll
71ad0000 - 71ad8fff WSOCK32.dll
71ab0000 - 71ac6fff WS2_32.dll
71aa0000 - 71aa7fff WS2HELP.dll
773d0000 - 774d1fff COMCTL32.dll
77f60000 - 77fd5fff SHLWAPI.dll
763b0000 - 763f8fff comdlg32.dll
7c9c0000 - 7d1d3fff SHELL32.dll
5cb70000 - 5cb95fff ShimEng.dll
6f880000 - 6fa49fff AcGenral.DLL
77120000 - 771abfff OLEAUT32.dll
77c00000 - 77c07fff VERSION.dll
769c0000 - 76a72fff USERENV.dll
5ad70000 - 5ada7fff UxTheme.dll
66500000 - 66509fff wbsys.dll
66600000 - 66616fff wbhelp.dll
74720000 - 7476afff MSCTF.dll
76f50000 - 76f57fff wtsapi32.dll
76360000 - 7636ffff WINSTA.dll
5b860000 - 5b8b3fff NETAPI32.dll
77fe0000 - 77ff0fff Secur32.dll
01fa0000 - 01fabfff ShellHook.dll
16000000 - 16027fff events.dll
7c340000 - 7c395fff MSVCR71.dll
73f10000 - 73f6bfff dsound.dll
76c30000 - 76c5dfff WINTRUST.dll
77a80000 - 77b13fff CRYPT32.dll
77b20000 - 77b31fff MSASN1.dll
76c90000 - 76cb7fff IMAGEHLP.dll
72d20000 - 72d28fff wdmaud.drv
72d10000 - 72d17fff msacm32.drv
77bd0000 - 77bd6fff midimap.dll
73ee0000 - 73ee3fff KsUser.dll
76fd0000 - 7704efff CLBCATQ.DLL
77050000 - 77114fff COMRes.dll
6ce10000 - 6ce47fff dinput8.dll
688f0000 - 688f8fff HID.DLL
77920000 - 77a12fff SETUPAPI.DLL

Bytes near EIP:
e2d256b2: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
e2d256c2: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
e2d256d2: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

ZDoom version 2.0.96x (0.9.3)

Command line:
D:\Shared\ZDoom\GZDoom\GZDoom.exe
IWAD: doom.wad

Not in a level.

Possible call trace:
e2d256c2 BOOM
005501d4
005501d4
00500000
005501d4
005501d4
004d7d8b call [0056f010]
004d8271 call 004d7cf0
004d841b call 004d80f0
0052ef64 call [edx+0xc]
004ab9e5 call 0052ef00
004abbbe call 004ab9d0
004abe8f call 004abb40
004ab840
004186b1 call 004abbd0
00451500
0040b821 call 0040b770
0040b821 call 0040b770
00537021 call 0040b810
00537123 call 00540c0a
005529db
00534bbd call 004183d0
00534ef6 call 005347c0
005444c9 call 00534e80
0054435d call 005419b0
00544345

Stack Contents:
0013f7c8: 5ed257f4 005501d4 0013fa2c 5ed1b1c1 ·W·^··U·,······^
0013f7d8: 0013f7e8 00000000 00000000 58010911 ···············X
0013f7e8: 00000001 005501d4 58010911 00000000 ······U····X····
0013f7f8: 00500000 7c9131dc 7c913212 7c913281 ··P··1·|·2·|·2·|
0013f808: 7c913288 00000000 00000000 00000000 ·2·|············
0013f818: 0013fac0 0013f80c 7c9163a8 0013fac0 ·········c·|····
0013f828: 7c90ee18 7c913290 ffffffff 7c913288 ···|·2·|·····2·|
0013f838: 7c916433 00000001 0a1800b3 7c916315 3d·|·········c·|
0013f848: 00000000 58010911 00000000 0013f884 ·······X········
0013f858: 7c915152 00140000 00000000 00000003 RQ·|············
0013f868: 0013f900 00000000 0013f8e4 c0150008 ················
0013f878: 00000000 7ffd8000 0013fb1c 00164c80 ············L··
0013f888: 0013fb18 00000000 00000000 0a1800b3 ················
0013f898: 02080000 0013f8ac 00000000 00000000 ················
0013f8a8: 0013fafc 7c910000 00000000 7c91043d ·······|····=··|
0013f8b8: 00400000 00000000 00160000 0057885c ··@·········\·W·
0013f8c8: 00000018 00000000 00000000 00000003 ················
0013f8d8: 00010003 00000041 0013f83c 00000000 ····A···<·······
0013f8e8: 00000003 7c90ee18 7c910570 ffffffff ·······|p··|····
0013f8f8: 7c91056d 77d49951 00160000 00000000 m··|Q··w········
0013f908: 001925a0 00000018 00000000 0057885c ·%··········\·W·
0013f918: 00000003 00400130 0013f910 00000000 ····0·@·········
0013f928: 0013f964 7c90ee18 7c910838 00160000 d······|8··|····
0013f938: 7c910833 77d499e4 77d49a12 0013f954 3··|···w···wT···
0013f948: 00000000 7c9105c8 00164868 0013fa20 ·······|hH·· ···
0013f958: 7c910551 00160b98 7c91056d 00164de0 Q··|····m··|·M··
0013f968: 0016493c 00000000 77d4a592 00160000 <I·········w····
0013f978: 00000000 0018cea0 0013fb50 0013fb9c ········P·······
0013f988: 0013f998 00000000 7c910945 7c91094e ········E··|N··|
0013f998: 00000000 00000000 7ffd8000 7c91056d ···········m··|
0013f9a8: 0013fac0 7ffd8000 7c901005 00000000 ··········|····
0013f9b8: 00010000 7ffd8000 000000d8 7c91440e ············D·|
0013f9c8: 7c910970 7c97e4c0 7c914481 7c8835f8 p··|···|·D·|·5·|
0013f9d8: 7c9143a1 00000000 00000003 0013f9dc ·C·|············
0013f9e8: 00160000 000e000c 00000000 5eda3828 ············(8·^
0013f9f8: 0013fac6 5eda2c80 00000157 0013fa54 ·····,·^W···T···
0013fa08: 7c919bd3 0013fac6 00000170 5ed00000 ···|····p······^
0013fa18: 5eda3268 5eda3828 7c90e027 7c814f2a h2·^(8·^'··|*O·|
0013fa28: 0000e838 0013fa38 5ed1c471 58010911 8···8···q··^···X
0013fa38: 0013fa58 5ed25e7e 58010911 00000001 X···~^·^···X····
0013fa48: 00000000 00000000 00000003 00000000 ················
0013fa58: 0013faf4 5ed26618 58010911 00000003 ·····f·^···X····
0013fa68: 0013faec 0013fae8 00001000 00000000 ················
0013fa78: 00000025 77f11998 58010911 0000ffff %······w···X····
0013fa88: 7ffdf000 00264048 7c80e458 5eda2c80 ···H@&·X··|·,·^
0013fa98: 5cb78195 00264058 0013fb70 5ed00000 ···\X@&·p······^
0013faa8: 00000000 0013fac4 0013fac4 00000000 ················
0013fab8: 0000219e 00262068 5ed26d6a 67770000 ·!··h &·jm·^··wg
0013fac8: 6f68436c 5065736f 6c657869 6d726f46 lChoosePixelForm
0013fad8: 7c007461 00160000 00000000 7c801bf6 at·|···········|
0013fae8: 005501d4 00000000 58010911 0013fb78 ··U········Xx···
0013faf8: 5ed26da8 00000000 00000001 00000028 ·m·^········(···
0013fb08: 0013fb18 005501d4 00000000 00000000 ······U·········
0013fb18: 7c919af0 ffffffff 7c919aeb 7c919ba0 ···|·······|···|
0013fb28: 5ed00000 0013fb5c 00000000 0013fb70 ···^\·······p···
0013fb38: 00000001 0013fb64 00010028 00000025 ····d···(···%···
0013fb48: 00002000 00000000 00000000 10000000 · ··············
0013fb58: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ················
0013fb68: 77f44a2a 5ed00000 ffffffff 00000001 *J·w···^········
0013fb78: 0013fb90 77f44a5b 58010911 00000001 ····[J·w···X····
0013fb88: 58010911 5ed00000 01e92378 004d7d8b ···X···^x#···}M·
0013fb98: 58010911 0013fbb4 77d4d60d 00000100 ···X·······w····
0013fba8: 01e92378 00000280 00001827 00010028 x#······'···(···
0013fbb8: 00000025 00002000 00000000 00000000 %···· ··········
0013fbc8: 10000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ················
0013fbd8: 00000000 004d8271 00000280 01e6e910 ····q·M·········
0013fbe8: 00000190 0013fc00 01e92378 00000000 ········x#······
0013fbf8: 00000001 00000276 0000019a 0013fc38 ····v·······8···
0013fc08: 005547f6 00000001 004d841b 00000100 ·GU·······M·····
0013fc18: 00000190 00000020 0000004b 14cf0000 ···· ···K·······
0013fc28: 0013fc80 00000280 0013fc7c 00000020 ········|··· ···
0013fc38: 0013fccc 0055480b 00000000 0052ef64 ·····HU·····d·R·
0013fc48: 01e92378 00000190 0013fc00 00000000 x#··············
0013fc58: 00000190 00000280 00000020 0013fc00 ········ ·······
0013fc68: 004ab9e5 0013fc7c 0013fc80 00000000 ··J·|···········
0013fc78: 004abbbe 00000280 00000190 00000020 ··J········· ···
0013fc88: 0000026e 00000020 00000000 ffffffff n··· ···········
0013fc98: 004abe8f 00000280 00000190 00000020 ··J········· ···
0013fca8: 0013fcc4 0013fcc0 00000020 004ab840 ········ ···@·J·
0013fcb8: 01e6ef50 00000001 00000190 00000280 P···············
0013fcc8: 01e79050 0013fe04 005542bd ffffffff P········BU·····
0013fcd8: 004186b1 0000026e 00000000 0013fe68 ··A·n·······h···
0013fce8: 0000017e 857a5994 01e6ef50 30822bf5 ~····Yz·P····+·0
0013fcf8: 5feba2ea 6d6f6f44 7475412e 616f6c6f ···_Doom.Autoloa
0013fd08: 2f6d0064 6f445a47 732f6d6f 736e696b d·m/GZDoom/skins
0013fd18: 00451500 9988131d 969d3e97 f19de129 ··E······>··)···
0013fd28: 5170ddfc 4c3766fe bb8f98b2 30e5c8e5 ··pQ·f7L·······0
0013fd38: a5e75e60 828b77a6 3e7f9a7f 005cb760 `^···w···>`·\·
0013fd48: 17c44fda 0040b821 00000002 005cb758 ·O··!·@·····X·\·
0013fd58: 17c44fda 0040b821 00000002 005cb758 ·O··!·@·····X·\·
0013fd68: 0013fd74 00537021 005cb758 00537123 t···!pS·X·\·#qS·
0013fd78: 00000094 00000005 00000001 00000a28 ············(···
0013fd88: 00000002 76726553 20656369 6b636150 ····Service Pack
0013fd98: 77003220 774ff5d1 00171bb0 8007000e 2·w··Ow········
0013fda8: 776068e4 774ec2b4 00000000 0013fdd8 ·h`w··Nw········
0013fdb8: 7751a29c 00171bb0 7c80977b 0013fe00 ··Qw····{··|····
0013fdc8: 00000000 7760683c 0013fdf8 774ff04b ····<h`w····K·Ow
0013fdd8: 00000001 00000000 00000002 00000000 ················
0013fde8: 00000000 0000026e 0000017e 17c44fda ····n···~····O··
0013fdf8: 0013fe5c 005529db 17c44fda 0013fe5c \····)U··O··\···
0013fe08: 00552bbe ffffffff 00534bbd ffffffff ·+U······KS·····
0013fe18: 7c80e00d 7ffd8000 00000000 00000000 ···|···········
0013fe28: 0000026e 0000017e 00000001 000f4240 n···~·······@B··
0013fe38: 0013fe2c 00000020 00000199 00000276 ,··· ·······v···
0013fe48: 00400000 00400250 00400228 7c800000 ··@·P·@·(·@····|
0013fe58: 0013fe14 0013fe88 00555100 00000000 ·········QU·····
0013fe68: 0013fe98 00534ef6 00400000 7c80b529 ·····NS···@·)··|
0013fe78: 00000000 7ffd8000 0013fe74 0013f3ec ·······t·······
0013fe88: 0013ffb0 005441bc 005cb0f0 00000000 ·····AT···\·····
0013fe98: 0013ffc0 005444c9 00400000 00000000 ·····DT···@·····
0013fea8: 00162334 00000001 00000094 00000005 4#··············
0013feb8: 00000001 00000a28 00000002 76726553 ····(·······Serv
0013fec8: 20656369 6b636150 80003220 e2bd6000 ice Pack 2···`··
0013fed8: e2bd7000 e2bd8000 e2bd9000 e2bda000 ·p··············
0013fee8: e2bdb000 e2bdc000 e2bdd000 e2bde000 ················
0013fef8: f0f8bc18 827c7280 8054a938 00000000 ·····r|·8·T·····
0013ff08: 00000000 e2bd6000 ff9767c0 00000300 ·····`···g······
0013ff18: 0000f2d2 00000001 00000009 00000000 ················
0013ff28: 01000098 00001bd6 8055e880 f0f8bc48 ··········U·H···
0013ff38: 80548fc1 827f8000 0054435d 00300037 ··T····]CT·7·0·
0013ff48: 00350032 7ffd8000 00000044 00163b50 2·5····D···P;··
0013ff58: 00163438 00163b60 00000000 00000000 84··`;··········
0013ff68: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ················
0013ff78: 00000000 00000401 00000001 00000000 ················
0013ff88: 00000000 00010001 00000000 00000408 ················
0013ff98: 00000000 00000001 00162334 00000000 ········4#······
0013ffa8: 0013feb0 805824fd 0013ffe0 005441bc ·····$X······AT·
0013ffb8: 005cc788 00000000 0013fff0 7c816d4f ··\·········Om·|
0013ffc8: 00300037 00350032 7ffd8000 8054a938 7·0·2·5····8·T·
0013ffd8: 0013ffc8 ff9767c0 ffffffff 7c8399f3 ·····g·········|
0013ffe8: 7c816d58 00000000 00000000 00000000 Xm·|············
0013fff8: 00544345 00000000 ECT·····[/spoiler]

It's weird because I could at least run it in software mode before, but now it won't even do that...

Any ideas? I'm thinking it's my crappy computer, but I don't know if the crashlog can tell you what the problem is or not... I have an ATI 128 Pro card, and I don't have any problems running timmie's port (albeit slowly).

Sorry for the vague report, but there isn't really anything else I can tell you.

[Graf Zahl]

The crash happens deep inside the graphics driver when the program is trying to get some OpenGL information for the very first time. Up until that point only the WAD files and the game configuration have been initialized but absolutely nothing hardware specific.

Best delete your .ini file. Maybe some setting got corrupted that your driver doesn't like.

[AFADoomer]

I've tried that...

The .ini is the default one that's created with one line added to add the path to the folder with all of my IWADs in it.

Maybe my drivers are screwed up. I'll try reinstalling them.

[Nuxius]

The .ini is the default one that's created with one line added to add the path to the folder with all of my IWADs in it.

When I did that, it would crash as soon as I tried to start a level (title screen would display fine though).

I finally just had to put both IWADs into GZDooms directory, and then the problem went away.

Sucks, but it works for now. You might want to try the same to see if it fixes your problem as well.

[Graf Zahl]

GZDoom crashes if it loads a ZDoom.wad from ZDoom. That is most likely caused by starting it in the wrong directory. Since ZDoom is rather stupid when it comes to loading ZDoom.wad I have renamed it for the next version to GZDoom.wad to avoid any conflicts.

I have no problems loading the IWADs from my main ports directory though.

[AFADoomer]

It works for me now... I'm using the .exe posted in Nightmare's thread...

[Graf Zahl]

Ok, then that fix was worth at least something.

Still, would you please post a console log. I'd like to see what the engine has to say about the problems it encountered.

[AFADoomer]

Here're the log outputs...

The first is the original 0.9.3 output...
[spoiler]Log started: Sun Sep 04 17:25:56 2005

adding zdoom.wad (140 lumps)
adding D:/Shared/ZDoom/2.0/doom2.wad (2956 lumps)
CPU Speed: 728.444298 MHz
CPU Vendor ID: GenuineIntel
Family 6, Model 8, Stepping 3
Features: MMX SSE
I_InitSound: Initializing FMOD
Setting DirectSound output succeeded
Setting driver 0 succeeded
Initialization succeeded
ZGL: Couldn't choose pixel format.
ZGL: Reverting to software mode...
Resolution: 640 x 400
ZGL: This won't take effect until ZDoomGL is restarted.
Init DOOM refresh subsystem.
2670 textures created
Init miscellaneous info.
Init Playloop state.
Setting up sound.
S_Init
Checking network game status.
player 1 of 1 (1 nodes)
ZGL: Couldn't choose pixel format.
ZGL: Reverting to software mode...
Switching to software renderer...[/spoiler]

This is the test build's output...
[spoiler]Log started: Sun Sep 04 17:26:13 2005

adding zdoom.wad (140 lumps)
adding D:/Shared/ZDoom/2.0/doom2.wad (2956 lumps)
CPU Speed: 728.446944 MHz
CPU Vendor ID: GenuineIntel
Family 6, Model 8, Stepping 3
Features: MMX SSE
I_InitSound: Initializing FMOD
Setting DirectSound output succeeded
Setting driver 0 succeeded
Initialization succeeded
GL_VENDOR: ATI Technologies Inc.
GL_RENDERER: RAGE 128 x86/SSE
GL_VERSION: 1.2.1652 WinXP Release
GL_EXTENSIONS: GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_ARB_vertex_blend GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once GL_ATI_vertex_shader GL_ATI_vertex_streams GL_ATIX_vertex_shader_output_point_size GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_EXT_draw_range_elements GL_EXT_fog_coord GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_rescale_normal GL_EXT_secondary_color GL_EXT_separate_specular_color GL_EXT_stencil_wrap GL_EXT_texgen_reflection GL_EXT_texture3D GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_object GL_EXT_vertex_array GL_KTX_buffer_region GL_ARB_window_pos GL_NV_texgen_reflection GL_SGI_texture_edge_clamp GL_SGIS_texture_border_clamp GL_SGIS_texture_lod GL_SGIS_multitexture GL_WIN_swap_hint WGL_EXT_extensions_string WGL_EXT_swap_control
ZGL: Couldn't choose pixel format. Retrying in compatibility mode
GL_VENDOR: ATI Technologies Inc.
GL_RENDERER: RAGE 128 x86/SSE
GL_VERSION: 1.2.1652 WinXP Release
GL_EXTENSIONS: GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_ARB_vertex_blend GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once GL_ATI_vertex_shader GL_ATI_vertex_streams GL_ATIX_vertex_shader_output_point_size GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_EXT_draw_range_elements GL_EXT_fog_coord GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_rescale_normal GL_EXT_secondary_color GL_EXT_separate_specular_color GL_EXT_stencil_wrap GL_EXT_texgen_reflection GL_EXT_texture3D GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_object GL_EXT_vertex_array GL_KTX_buffer_region GL_ARB_window_pos GL_NV_texgen_reflection GL_SGI_texture_edge_clamp GL_SGIS_texture_border_clamp GL_SGIS_texture_lod GL_SGIS_multitexture GL_WIN_swap_hint WGL_EXT_extensions_string WGL_EXT_swap_control
Resolution: 640 x 400
Init DOOM refresh subsystem.
2670 textures created
Init miscellaneous info.
Init Playloop state.
Setting up sound.
S_Init
Checking network game status.
player 1 of 1 (1 nodes)
GL_VENDOR: ATI Technologies Inc.
GL_RENDERER: RAGE 128 x86/SSE
GL_VERSION: 1.2.1652 WinXP Release
GL_EXTENSIONS: GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_ARB_vertex_blend GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once GL_ATI_vertex_shader GL_ATI_vertex_streams GL_ATIX_vertex_shader_output_point_size GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_EXT_draw_range_elements GL_EXT_fog_coord GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_rescale_normal GL_EXT_secondary_color GL_EXT_separate_specular_color GL_EXT_stencil_wrap GL_EXT_texgen_reflection GL_EXT_texture3D GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_object GL_EXT_vertex_array GL_KTX_buffer_region GL_ARB_window_pos GL_NV_texgen_reflection GL_SGI_texture_edge_clamp GL_SGIS_texture_border_clamp GL_SGIS_texture_lod GL_SGIS_multitexture GL_WIN_swap_hint WGL_EXT_extensions_string WGL_EXT_swap_control
ZGL: Couldn't choose pixel format. Retrying in compatibility mode[/spoiler]

The original 0.9.3 forced me into software mode; the test build worked fine in GL mode.

This was after reinstalling my video drivers...

[Graf Zahl]

Your card apparently doesn't support a stencil buffer. The new build retries in such a case without one. The game will run but some features will be disabled:

- skyboxes
- mirrors
- horizons
- multiple skies in one level

and the handling of missing upper/lower textures will be less efficient.

[AFADoomer]

Ah. OK, that saves me a post then. I noticed some HOM-ish effects in some places in MAP04... I guess that's why. I guess I can live with some features missing until I finally get a new computer...

Thanks for the response!